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Bevin on pension plan opponents: “Sowers of dissent, discord, & division”

Governor Matt Bevin


Entire interview where Governor Matt Bevin is being accused of saying,”teachers are hoarding sick days”,    Governor Bevin did not say this and the $1,000 offer for evidence he did is still unclaimed.  


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Gov. Matt Bevin says opponents of his pension overhaul plan are “sowers of dissent, discord, and division on purpose because it serves their own purpose.”  Kentucky’s chief executive spent nearly an hour in an exclusive interview with Jobe Publishing last week discussing the Commonwealth’s pension crisis, opponents of his proposed plan, the challenges of economic development, the state’s financial stability, and how his message is frequently twisted by his opponents and the media.

Since announcing his proposed plan for pension reform, numerous groups have anxiously expressed concern, if not complete opposition to, Bevin’s plan that weighs in at around 500 pages.  Many have decried the details of the document, complaining they were excluded from discussions that affect state workers, particularly current and retired teachers.

“We have met for months and months – and months – meeting with any group you can think of: FOP – met with them multiple times; superintendents – met with them multiple times; KEA – met with them multiple times; jailers – met with them multiple times; Retired Teachers Association – met with them multiple times,” Bevin said.

“There has never been a governor in the history of Kentucky – certainly in our lifetimes – that has met with these groups on multiple occasions, face to face, ever – on any issue – ever.  I’ve done it and members of my administration have done it, legislators have done it; we’ve been doing this all summer and fall,” Bevin said in response to complaints that only Republican leaders were involved in the process.

Bevin said the bill has had ample input. “It was formed entirely from these thousands of hours of input from every group you can think of in Kentucky – every group – multiple, personal, face-to-face meetings, some of them for hours.”

Some of the greatest criticisms have come from educators and various groups of educators such as the state’s school superintendents, retired teachers, and the Kentucky Education Association (KEA).

“I’ve personally had meetings for hours with the KEA and they will come out and lie and say they had no input. It’s a 100-percent lie,” Bevin said.

“You get guys like Tom Shelton [Executive Director of the Kentucky Association of School Superintendents] with whom we had 5-plus meetings and he never had a single idea or a single plan except ‘don’t take away our system – we want to leave it as it is.’  And now, he has the audacity to come out and tell superintendents they should shut down their schools because they haven’t been heard.  The guy has had multiple inputs,” Bevin said.

“These people are liars.  They are sowers of dissent, discord, and division on purpose because it serves their own purpose.”  Bevin insisted that the bill is the culmination of “thousands of hours of conversation with every group that could possibly be affected.”

The urgency of pension reform

 “Never in history have we been in such financial pressure as we are now,” Bevin said.  Enumerating issues that he says are holding him back, Bevin said, “We have the worst-funded pension system in America, we have the lowest credit ratings in America, we have one of the lowest workforce participations in America, we have one of the highest percentages of our population of Medicaid in America, we have some of the very worst health statistics of any state in America.”

Bevin contends that decades of “self-serving, ‘what’s in it for me’ policy’” have created the financial quagmire currently facing Kentucky.  “I’ve got all of these things holding me back.  I want to open the throttle and go wide open.  It’s been a real challenge but we’re doing it.  We’re doing it not because it’s fun, or it’s easy, but because it’s essential,” Bevin said.

It is Bevin’s belief that Kentucky government must demonstrate that it is serious about pulling out of its financial problems.  “We’ve got to prove that we’re business-minded.  We can’t perpetuate this faulty system.  It’s not the $64,000 question, it’s the $64 billion question.”

“If our financial house isn’t in order, then we won’t attract or keep the folks we want nor will we keep them nor will we expand.  We cannot be one of the worst credit-rated states in America and expect business to come here.  Nobody’s going to come here when they can see the cliff coming,” Bevin said.

Explaining that Kentucky’s revenue stream comes from taxpayers, Bevin said there has been an increasing number of people who don’t pay taxes and there are fewer individuals and businesses creating taxpayers.  “This is a death spiral.  We are in a death spiral.  We have been in a death spiral for years.  People know it and people have wanted to ignore it,” Bevin said.

“It’s like saving a drowning victim,” Bevin said.  “The person will fight you, they will bite you, they will claw your eyes out, they will pull your ears, and they will try to drag you under.  But you know that they still need to be saved and once you get them to shore they will be grateful that their life is saved.”

Likening a drowning victim to Kentuckians who oppose his plan, Bevin said, “people react out of fear and panic in ways that are not rational.  To fight to keep a system that you know is dying and running out of money does not make sense.  But people do it out of fear and a lack of understanding.” He added that some opponents are led by “those who prey on those things for personal gain” while “others fall victim to it because they don’t know different.”

Lack of understanding leads to opposition

While speaking about the pension overhaul plan in recent weeks, Bevin’s words created a firestorm of controversy. “A perfect example is this quote about sophistication – I’m sure you’ve heard about it.  Did you actually read what I said?” Bevin asked, regarding news reports stating that those opposing his plan lacked the sophistication to understand it.

“If you go back and read the actual quote, the headline was a lie but that’s what they [the media] do – it’s sensational.  Then everyone simply repeats the lie and don’t repeat the actual quote.  They’ll bury the actual quote about two-thirds of the way through the article.  No one reads two-thirds into the article,” Bevin said.

Bevin contends he was not singling out educators in his remarks.  “I didn’t say it specifically about any retiree or group, let alone teachers.  In fact, it says those that are opposed to the plan I said are unsophisticated.  Also, not true.  Never used that word at all.”

“What I said is this affects all Kentucky and it is those that are most affected who don’t have the sophistication to appreciate the danger they are in.  If those of us who do understand it don’t step up and save the system on their behalf, then shame on us,” Bevin said.

“The actual quote is speaking about Kentucky.  It is entirely true.  Your average person in Kentucky – 90-percent of taxpayers are going to pay for this; less than 10-percent of the people are getting a pension from the state.  That is who is in trouble,” Bevin said.

“Your average person on the street does not have the financial sophistication at all.  Does this mean they’re dumb, no.  Does it mean they’re uneducated on anything, of course not.  Does it mean they’re unsophisticated about financial matters? Of course, it does.  Anyone who would say otherwise is lying.  People don’t get it.  Our job is to make the hard decisions on their behalf,” Bevin said.

“They do not get it.  They do not understand it.  They don’t know it.  They hope someone will fix it. Nobody has ever had the cajoles to step up and do anything because they were afraid politically.  That’s what has to end,” Bevin said.

“We’ve got to get our house in order.  And yet people – because they want to be panicked, they want to be angry or they want to sow seeds of untruth – they will take a comment and say that this comment was said about people who oppose the plan. Not at all.  It’s about people who don’t even know what they’re opinion is,” Bevin said.

Media spin

Regarding the backlash over the “sophistication” comment, Bevin said,

“People will take a comment that is absolutely true and that they know to be true and allow it to be spun into something that it’s not to whip up discontent.”

“I wish you’d publish on the front page of your newspaper that I will pay $1,000 in cash, in person with photo opportunities along with it, in front of live television if they are so inclined, to any person that can ever find any evidence – audio, video, or otherwise – that I have ever said that teachers hoard sick days.  I’ve never said it,” Bevin declared.

“All these people who say they’ve seen it and heard have never actually seen it and heard it.  They’ve heard or seen that other people say it was said.  Never was it said and nobody has any corroboration of that. The Herald-Leader – they make stuff up.  And then everybody says, ‘it was in the Herald-Leader – it must be true,’” Bevin maintained.

“These are the kind of things that make this job ridiculous,” Bevin said of serving as Kentucky’s governor.

“This is why nothing gets done.  Most people don’t have the intestinal fortitude to withstand that kind of crap and still keep doing the right thing,” Bevin said.

“Luckily, I’m wired that way. I’m trying to make it so people don’t bail on Kentucky.”

See next week’s editons of Jobe Publishing newspapers for the second part of our exclusive interview with Gov. Matt Bevin.


  1. Betty Weaver on November 10, 2017 at 6:13 am

    There is NO doubt that this is a BIG issue for the state of Kentucky. And we applaud the governor for tackling it. But the BIGGER issue is the funding. Surprisingly, this defined benefit plan worked for years and years, until it was not funded. I’m not an economist, but nothing in this country can survive without money. I am also not a psychologist, but every Kentuckian knows that you reach more constituents with honesty and goodwill than insults and demeaning statements about their use of a retirement system designed by past governors and legislators. The employees had NOTHING to do or say about the rules of retirement. We just did what the legislature passed the laws to do. If the governor really wants buy-in (which I seriously doubt. He seems to prefer his way over 500,000 Kentuckians), then actually LISTEN to and RESPECT those affected and admit that both your fear-mongering and name-calling has riled the masses almost as much as the threat to our livelihoods. If there really is a funding issue, then raise taxes-sales, on services, cigarettes, alcohol, etc. We are ALL taxpayers. And voters.

  2. Charles on November 10, 2017 at 10:27 am

    Betty has some salient points, and the lack of contribution from state legislature is massively important. Past members should be hung out to dry for this as it is the worst part of our government. Namely, politicians “promising” (lying) to constituents over policies they know they will not have to make good on. The benefit package is too great, and would never work, under any circumstances (again the fault of past politicians) . It is not just because contributions were not made. Required returns to make the current system work when it was put on place were not achievable in the real world (in fact about 3% too high), even with contributions. In fact, lower returns than expected lowers the plan life by 8 years. Under-funding, lowers it by 7 years. both highly important, but you get the point. The plan only “worked” because the bill was not due. Also, and perhaps most important, is the fact that people are living longer, thus compounding the issues. the correct way to address this was to adjust as the plan went along, but politicians refused to address for sake of losing votes. Now, the entire state is at risk. This plan was doomed fro the start, and several issues have made the problem worst over time. Each of them could have been addressed in the past, but were not. The bill is now due, and hence, it must be fixed. Now

  3. C.H. Logsdon on November 10, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    How long will Kentuckians put up with the governor’s bashing of our state employees, teachers and police? Simply for standing up for themselves and opposing the proposed plan, they’ve been called names, accused of being “unsophisticated,” self-serving. It’s offensive and unbecoming of an elected official who is supposed to serve. Further, multiple elected officials have put forth plans to address the funding issue over the years, but they have not been taken seriously by our leadership. James Kay, Rocky Adkins, and others have put forth viable plans that have fallen on deaf ears. Why, because they involve small tax increases on businesses and purchases such as cigarettes. Kentucky’s public servants did not cause this mess and should not be blamed or penalized for it.

    • Jeff on November 10, 2017 at 4:47 pm

      The truth hurts and while everyone is bashing the governor all he is doing is speaking the truth. i don’t care for all parts of his plan but we all most remember that it’s not going to be popular no matter what happens. There is no magical fix so quit being so offended by the words the governor is using because it’s the truth plain and simple rather you like it or not!!

  4. Mel on November 10, 2017 at 10:54 pm

    I wonder, what is a suggestion put forth by teacher representatives that the governor is considering? Any? None?
    I suggest looking into corporate deals. Factors influencing relocation decisions include schools, safety, and social services.

  5. Lana Blish on November 11, 2017 at 7:33 am

    Only one state, Alaska, has passed a plan such as the Governor’s. Today they are begging for teachers. Defined benefits in some version are offered by every other state. At least 12 states investigated closing the DB plan and going to defined contributions but found it too expensive. This is exactly what the actuarial report for the Governor’s plan released! Thank heavens no vote was taken in a special session until we had these facts. What did other states do? They funded their plans before having a knee jerk reaction, passing something, that would leave public workers poorer and tax payers paying more!

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